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Brainflex 12 months ago.
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Many people hark on about wanting a 100kg bike producing 200hp etc, but being realistic what features do want that make up a bike that isn’t currently available on the market.
For me it would be
- Parallel twin cylinder – smoother than a single for road work but still physically small motors, check out the Yamaha MT-07 for example
- No more than 600cc – For the cheaper licensing, but really no more is needed on NZ roads anyway
- Naked – minimal bodywork
- Solid enough subframe to carry luggage
- Wet weight 180kg
Eddie, your ideal ADV bike is in the goldilocks range for me too.
I would like manufacturers to stop assuming all their customers are tall and offer better OEM lowering kits/options for the shorter ADV riders. Longer recommended service intervals would also be welcome.
In my opinion, for day trips in and out of the hills, something like an XR230, for overnight trips where you need carry baggage a DR350 if you can find one.
550 to 700cc V or Parallel twin. Small front Screen. GPS built into dash. 300km fuel range.
Weight 160kg unfuelled.The new KTM 790 Adventure might come close but will be around 180kg dry.
A reliable Aprilla 550 V twin engine would also do the job there, but sadly there is no such thing.
Mark Claasen
- Location: Auckland, NorthShore
- Bike: 1200GSA KLR650NE WR450 RMX250, DR750,
Rank: 400cc RiderAdam was asking the same thing in the garden of Eden, are we any closer to the answer ?
KLR has been the closest for me (not for single track though) but with these twins looming could it be dethroned
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This one. (or either of the other two in the garage) Given me+bike capability is entirely limited by me, there’s absolutely no point me waiting for the next marketing exercise to appear over the horizon and then wait a further 5 to 10 years for the second hand market to deliver me one I can actually afford.
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Eddie, I agree with your overall bike description. I would add the following:
Shaft drive (Low maintenance)
Air-cooled (Low maintenance)
High ground clearance.
Low Seat (I’m short)
25 liters fuel tank.Cheers
JoaoApart from the high ground clearance I think you just described the original BMW R80G/S PD.
In this day and age it’s never going to be air cooled, they just couldn’t meet Euro 4 or 5 emissions with it. Shaft drive also adds a fair bit of weight over chain.
I’m thinking for my next bike I might try and go shaft drive again, I just can’t be assed with all the chain maintenance, particularly as bending down and standing up is one of my biggest vertigo triggers.
The yet to be released Moto Guzzi V85 turns my wheels but being a Guzzi isn’t likely to be light.
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The Mash 400 seems a pretty competent contender, fairly simple and robust.
But still a single cylinder and heavy for a 400.
Different strokes….
You’d never get that Guzzi to places a small bike could go.True that. Although I’ve had 2 r80 g/s and they would go further than you might expect.
My WR250R with another cylinder and 350k range.
Dont need a lot more power, just beef up the low to mid range.A lot of people would like that, if they can chop 1 cylinder off an R1 surely they can do 2.
A Honda XR650R with fuel injection, updated suspension, stiffer subframe, full lights/battery and an electric starter!
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