Eddieb’s Narrow case Ducati 250

A few years ago I acquired a narrow case Ducati of dubious heritage.
Sometime in it’s past it was painted British Racing Green, given a BSA Bantam tank, an unknown seat and a hand rolled front guard.

I have the English rego papers from when it was last registered and according to those it is a 1972 Ducati 350 Mark 3, however being a narrow case model it must have been manufactured between 1962 and 1968. Also parts of the wiring loom are made of housing wire and all the wires are the same colour, joined to the original loom with chocolate block connectors

As it sits today I have sourced a Ducati Scrambler tank for it which isn’t correct as it’s smaller than the original tank but the original tanks go for silly money.

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Eddieb Brodie
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2026 years ago

Team Buffoon has a similiar model bike and about 6 months ago he asked to take some pics of the footpeg mounts, and being the slack bastard I am I’ve only just got to it. In my defence it is stored in someone elses’s garage surrounded by stacks of furniture.

Left Side, the bolt is loose on this footpeg so it’s hanging down, the footpeg actually sits up when it’s in the proper position.

Left Side

Right Side

Right Side

AirBorne Arms Co
2026 years ago

I hold you completely responsible for my wife’s reaction to another bike and the hours Im just about to spend on the net combing the planet for one of these to fill a spot in my garage.. you know where to find me if you ever want to part with yours 🙂
What a cool project, a friend built one of the 350cc’s into a track bike back when I worked with him at a motorcycle dealership and I always had a soft spot for them..
Im thinking more “cafe racer” myself so I dont want a minter donor bike. I want to go with a clean and minimalist approach to this little Italian thumper, something like this one:

http://www.returnofthecaferacers.com/2016/02/york-st-moto-ducati-350-widecase.html#more
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https://youtu.be/dN2MG3MDZJg

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

That ones a widecase, so post 1972. The easiest way to tell visually is that loop in the rear frame.

I must get onto mine, I have a new loom and various other bits for it and it recently got it’s own workshop stand, but among other things keeping this site going has been taking up far more time that it should recently.

AirBorne Arms Co
2026 years ago

Yea its a 74, the first of the Desmodromic engines.. my personal pick of the early Ducati singles..
Yours looks like a 64-65 250cc Diana judging by the forks and other smaller details.. If you look closely at some of the front forks and break parts you should find a casting date on some of the bits.. normally it will tell you within a year or two of its released date. also check the rims for a manufacturers name.. certain rims were only fitted to certain years.
Id love to check yours out some time.. or better yet own it :).. Wana trade for a Husky or a multistrada? 🙂

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

The details of my Ducati don’t add up and I’m not certain what I really have. The paperwork says it’s a 1972 350cc Mark3, however the frame design dictates it can’t have been built after 1967 and it’s a 250cc.

The bike came with a BSA Bantam tank and a seat of unknown origin and is missing sidecovers, all items that could have helped indicate or at least narrow down what model it was. It also has a non standard front guard. A rev counter is fitted which was only a factory item on a few sportier models but given that the bike is ~50 years old this year and has a number of non stock items fitted I can’t say with certainty whether that was fitted by the factory or an owner.

The engine has a number but whether this engine is original or not I don’t know. Given that the UK year of registration does not reflect the year of manufacture do I trust the cc rating on the paperwork or what’s in the bike?

DM250M3 stands for Ducati 250 Mark3
The serial number of 100203 indicates the motor was manufactured in 1966 or 1967.
(Reference the Book of Ducati Overhead Camshaft Singles by Ian Falloon, Page 126 & 130.)

Another place to find manufacture information on a classic Ducati single is to remove the front wheel. On the left fork is a locator tab for the front brakes and on that tab is stamped a manufacture date. I pulled the front wheel off tonight and found the below, which indicates a manufacture date of September 1966.

So the dates for the forks and the engine match up, and the engine model of Mark3 matches the UK registration papers, but the engine capacity doesn’t.
Also, the narrow case Mark3 was fitted with a rev counter from the factory!
(Reference the Book of Ducati Overhead Camshaft Singles by Ian Falloon Page 125.)

Eddieb Brodie
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2026 years ago

said:
also check the rims for a manufacturers name.. certain rims were only fitted to certain years.
Id love to check yours out some time.. or better yet own it :).. Wana trade for a Husky or a multistrada? 🙂

I haven’t gone over the wheels yet.
You’re welcome to come and have a look. I’d love to have your Strada but I wouldn’t swap this for it 🙂

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

So if it really is a Mark3 as things indicate it would have originally looked like this.

So should I make it look stock again which would require the correct seat and side toolboxes, or do something like this scrambler which also requires a seat, a taller set of handlebars and different/cut down guards.

AirBorne Arms Co
2026 years ago

Personally Id go custom cafe racer as yours is to far from original anyway but I like the look of the Scramblers better than the MK3 road machines..
Unfortunately Scramblers have always come with the persona of hipsters and men that prefer the company of other men so I could never bring myself to riding one. 🙂
Have you had yours running?

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Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

Hmm, the shock mounts are in the same position so the shocks must be longer, presumably the forks are longer as well. I like the lines of the pipe and the higher bars.

The tank I have now is that scrambler tank.

I tracked down the frame number location tonight, depending on the model and market Ducati singles could have the frame number engraved on the headstock, on the center downtube near the battery, or on a sticker on the headstock which after 50 years is likely gone.

For my bike a number was on the center downtube – DM 03990, however there doesn’t seem to be any definitive data around frame numbers and models or years for Ducati singles.

AirBorne Arms Co
2026 years ago

Yea they are a little taller looking.. does yours run?

heres a pretty one

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Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

I have had mine running but not for 6 or 7 years.

AirBorne Arms Co
2026 years ago

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I have had mine running but not for 6 or 7 years.

Sounds like the “7 year itch” to me.. Ill be happy to take it off your hands 🙂

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

Nope. I’m just getting the motivation to get started on it.

has a one also. Dunno what he is doing with his.

I like cafe racers but prefer the street scrambler style, like this new Husky coming next year. Also I prefer the higher handlebar stance when riding.

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

I’ve split discussion about Team Buffoon’s classic duk’s into it’s own thread https://www.adventureridingnz.co.nz/forums/topic/team-buffoons-classic-ducatis/

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

Well, priorities in life change so the poor Ducati 250 has gone back into storage as the engine needs a rebuild to replace the main gasket which will cost a couple of thousand, and that couple of thousand would be better spent on some other big plans we are working on.

Team Buffoon
2026 years ago

Eddie when you are able would it be possible for you to measure the horizontal distance from the vertical plate under the engine to the knurled part of the frame where the footpeg bolts on. As I said before both of mine have been cut off, really not sure why that was done unless it was to convert to rear sets. Difficult to work out the distance from your pics and looks as if each side might be different?
My Elite Racer has had the same operation, but then it does have rear sets!

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

@Team Buffoon said:
Eddie when you are able would it be possible for you to measure the horizontal distance from the vertical plate under the engine to the knurled part of the frame where the footpeg bolts on.

Unfortunately it’s not possible. I’m about as far away from the 250 as I can get at present and won’t be back near it for a year-ish.

Team Buffoon
2026 years ago

OK Eddie understood, have fun.

AirBorne Arms Co
2026 years ago

Hi Eddie, long time no see. I was talking with Jake a while ago and you came up in conversation, I thought I better make contact.

Any progress on the little Ducati thumper? Ive been meaning to catch up with you for a while as I have new info on your bike. I recently purchased my own Ducati single with similar messed up UK papers. After a lot of research I can finally shed some light on the subject.

Firstly, What you have is definitely a 1966 Ducati 250cc Mark 3 with the original engine fitted. It was the sporty offering of the time with those fancy rims, a Veglia Tacho, high compression piston, larger valves, a larger ‘hot’ camshaft, and a Dell’Orto SS1 or Amal 930 carburettor making them amongst the fastest 250s of their era with a power output of 30bhp @ 8,300 rpm. Amal 930 carb.
Mark 3 with the largest technical difference being the new five speed gearbox replacing the Diana four speed. The 250 Mark 3 was largely focused on American customers and availability was limited in Europe. Also, it was rather difficult to start as it had no battery and a 6V 40-watt flywheel ignition.

Now this is where it gets interesting. In 1967 Ducati had a large shipment of bikes ready for dispatch to Berlina the USA Ducati dealers who were not in a good financial state at the time. Interestingly many bikes did not have VIN numbers stamped on the frame but were added later on a thin alloy tag by Berlina when sold. This meant older new stock bikes were being sold as the latest model. There are many reports of this alloy VIN tag being found in the owners manual or left for the new owner to attach.
Berlina cancelled this large order claiming the bikes were not selling well and they still had too many in USA stock. this move nearly bankrupted both companies and upset relationships with the Italians. Long story short these bikes sat for a long time before being sent to London instead. Most of these bikes were 1966 and 1967 built machines but didnt get registered in the UK until 1972.

Id be willing to bet your bike is a 66 and came in to London from that cancelled USA Berlina shipment with mine. With that frame and many of its components it could never have been a 350cc in 1966.

Mine is a 1966 Ducati Sebring 350cc. The 350 NC Sebring was only made between 65 and 67 but was first registered in the UK in 1972.

It’s hard to look at the Sebring today and see a monster sport bike, but that is what it was in 1965. Race bred, the Sebring had a serious if short time in the international spotlight. In 1965, the first new concept bike arrived. The 350 Sebring was the largest Ducati of the day. Typically, Ducati built a racing 350 first. The 350 class was not common in the United States, so when Ducati team rider Franco Farne went to America to race at Sebring race, he had to race in a class event catering to 251-700cc machines. Despite the larger capacity opposition comprising mostly of 650cc twins, he finished 11th overall and, more importantly, won his own class outright. In honour of Farne’s victory the new model became the 350 Sebring.
It was the only first and only 350cc narrow case bike offered until late 67-68 when wide case 350 was introduced. Ducati quickly realised that the larger piston and stroked 350cc was too much for the little narrow case design and was plagued with big end failures.
The 350 was detuned, fitted with a tiny 24mm Dell’Orto with low gearing making a pitiful 20HP at 6250rpm. The Sebring then became known as Ducati’s touring bike.
The 350cc crank was later updated from 27mm to 30mm to cope with bigger HP and with the addition of a 30mmm carb it really came alive.

With a bit of research you can see many UK registered bikes in 1972s and none of the 350 Sebrings had frame VIN stamps.
If I was a betting man Id say your bike was put on the UK register with a large amount of other ducati singles and the 350cc title was nothing more than a mistake due to the number 350cc Sebrings that were being registered at the same time.

I have got a couple of boxes of narrow case parts with mine, some that may be of use to you or . I have just purchased an full upgrade electronic ignition and larger alternator for mine so all my old electrics are available including a 12V conversion and 60W magneto alternator and flywheel that would liven up your ignition and give the option to run a 12v battery for better lighting.

Give me a yell if you want to catch up for a beer and chat.

Eddieb Brodie
Admin
2026 years ago

Hey Good to hear from you.

That’s some really awesome info thanks. The manufacture date on my forks would indicate it’s a ’67 but the rest makes sense, Where did you get the info from?

Got a pic of your new bike?

Mines been in storage for 2 years due to travelling overseas and we’ve recently moved to Tauranga but I can get to it now. I managed to pick up some of the side toolboxes cheap while in Europe.

Supposedly mine has been converted to 12v but the wiring is pretty dodgy, most of it is single core housing wire in 1 colour.
I’d be keen to see what bits you’ve got spare and what you’d want for you’re 12v conversion kit.

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